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Murdered By Words š©ø Qasim Calls It: Raised in Hate
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u/Pokemon_Trainer_K 7h ago
Ah yes, I must hate Trump because I hate America. Couldn't have anything to do with the promises he didn't keep, or the hatred he's spewed, or the way he attacks political opponents, or how he handles the press, or how he can never provide evidence for the claims he make, or the way he treats our allies. All things I'd say have negative impacts to America. And this is only in regards to Trump the POLITICIAN, speaks nothing on the man as a citizen, who has plenty of evidence showing his disdain for the average American.
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u/kingravs 7h ago
Trump has done the most of any modern president to erode the constitution and our system of government. If thatās not hating America idk what is
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u/PrincessGiallo 6h ago
They absolutely loathe America and Americans. They want to be Russia. It's completely insane that any of them think they're patriotic.
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u/sah___mei 6h ago
I hate him most for the promises he did keep. He promised to act like a dictator, execute mass deportations, and 'OwN tHe LiBz' whatever the cost (including election integrity). He's kept those, and I find them all both deeply problematic and anti-American.
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u/Pokemon_Trainer_K 7h ago
While I agree with you we have to start holding him accountable as a president so we can then hold him accountable as a citizen once we can get his immunity out of the way.
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u/PackageDangerous6837 7h ago
I hate him for making people feel ok to be bold with their racism and bigotry.
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u/Uneventfulrice 7h ago
The main one that always comes to my mind is the swamp thing. I feel like I hardly ever see people bring up the swamp thing.
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u/Pokemon_Trainer_K 7h ago
Draining the swamp? He did that and is still doing that from his point of view, unfortunately not what everyone else was thinking it would mean. He spun removing his opponents and dissenters as the draining, and his followers eat it up. The cult loves the idea that they're winning.
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u/Uneventfulrice 6h ago
Keeps planting people there in those high positions with questionable skills and character. He'll be gone from office one day but those things he planted there will remain, probably.
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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 7h ago
Good luck proving Obama hated America.
Also, getting a bit ridiculous how many subreddits you have to self censor or not be allowed to speak.
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u/idwtumrnitwai 7h ago
Yeah it's the racism, these folks will say a black man who wore a tan suit somehow hates the US more than a white man who tried to overturn an election when he lost.
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u/mcfuckernugget 7h ago
The only people who still talk about the tan suit are redditors lol
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u/idwtumrnitwai 6h ago
I mean, it was such an absurd thing to criticize Obama for, especially when the same people accepted much worse from his successor.
So yeah people online still bring it up when discussing the racism Obama experienced as president.
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u/Icy_Marionberry_9131 7h ago edited 4h ago
Like Sisson and Mockler, Hollyhand is one of a growing number of naive political shits who communicate via social media with an unsupported level of confidence and bravado. Their egos are validated by political echo chambers, yet these kids have no bona fides. Generally, they have an incomplete education, have never served in the military or in a public sector, and have led comfortable lives void of the kind of challenges that shape minds. Rather, they are spoon fed ideas from the Internet and consider that sufficient to be experts because of their otherwise sheltered existences spanning perhaps two decades at the most. These guys are the epitome of Dunning Kruger.
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u/LegacyQuotient 6h ago
I mean. MAYBE the hard-core Tea Party and future MAGA sorts hated Obama.
But he was popular in the US and around the world.
Obama averaged a 49% approval rating in his first term.
47% in his second.
And left office qith a 59% approval rating.
Got as low as 38% a couple of times notably around debt and financial crisis issues. Didn't stay that way long.
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u/kittenTakeover 6h ago
Obama was hardly able to accomplish anything due to having one of the most hostile congress ever during his term. When are Republicans going to move on from Obama? Why are they so fixated?
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u/digitalbullet36 6h ago
āWe loathed Obamaā¦ā yet you werenāt even old enough to hate Obama. What a lame.
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u/Wonderful_Fall_8821 6h ago
I didn't fawn over Obama but he led well. I know people in insular Christian Nationalist Societies literally thought they were going to be rounded up and killed for their beliefs during the Obama years. Obviously prepping them to actually have the government round up other people.Ā
I really don't like Trump for lots of reasons beyond the singular cultural current in American society that he caters to and apparently represents. They are just one part of America. They are not the American I know or ever grew up in or ever believed in, but they were always there threatening and making me as just a 'different' white kid feel really unsafe and unwelcome.
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u/backtorealitylabubu 6h ago
Trump thinks America is a shithole country. Heaven forbid I hate the guy that thinks that.
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u/Solidus-Prime 6h ago
MAGAs don't have real morals and values like the rest of us. They have weak imitations that they use as a weapon in any given moment to get what they want.
This kid doesn't actually hate Obama. He's pretending to so he can use it to "rag" on Democrats, and juice up his uneducated peers.
The cult DEPENDS on these delusions to keep operating. If they had to face real life and the abuses MAGA heaps upon them, it would all fall apart.
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u/Pretend_Hatch 7h ago
Heās got it backwards. These people are delusional. They believe what they want to believe despite the truth. Donāt believe everything you āthinkā
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u/Quadraphonic_Jello 7h ago
All he will hear is "you have no argument and just defaulted to calling me a racist". It won't matter that it's true, he'll see it as a deflection..
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u/Living_Plane_662 7h ago
Whatever Trumps version of America is I hate and I have no qualms about admitting that
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u/MetaCardboard 6h ago
Weird how he's saying the exact opposite of reality. It's almost like Republicans and their voters just project who they are onto Democrats and their voters.
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u/extrastupidone 6h ago
Ive heard that so many times before "(insert dem) hates america!" That is the absolute most retarded thing to believe.
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u/Garbleshift 6h ago
"According to the insane lies I grew up with and still choose to pretend are true, Obama was evil and Trump is Jesus. Checkmate, librul!"
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u/glacier1982 7h ago
Trump is openly destroying every American value you supposedly adhere to. That's why we hate him.
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u/misterroberto1 7h ago
Brilyn Hollyhand canāt be a real name
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u/TheStonedFox 7h ago
Gen Z Republicans greatest crimes are normalizing their fuckass Mormon-coded names.
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u/freedomonke 7h ago edited 6h ago
I don't really have much of a concept of "America" to loathe. What would that even be? The people? I know a couple hundred, tops. And loathe would be a pretty strong word for my low grade irritation i feel towards most of them.
I do loathe most states, including the US. So there is that I suppose. And I do loathe Trump for all the reasons associated with that.
But I loathe Trump specifically because he poses a real risk to my comfortable existence due to his disregard for fundamental pillars of the economy and his acquiescence and enabling of the consolidation of wealth within a particular class.
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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 7h ago
You can hate Obama without it being race related. I'm not saying that's the case here as it's probably not, but it's possible. It's quite common the farther left you go on the political spectrum.
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u/JenniviveRedd 6h ago
Well yeah, Obama committed atrocities and was an imperialist who prioritized American profit over the lives of humans.
That's bad, and has absolutely nothing to do with his race. When people talk about him hating America, there is no actual evidence to support this. There is evidence that he cared about the job he did and that is him loving the country he was from.
The care a leader has for their country shows in their physical appearance, and I'm weary of leaders who do not age under the pressure of their office.
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u/gunsnshit1 7h ago
I loathe the job carter did and I wasn't born yet.
One can read enough to make your own opinion without experiencing it first hand.Ā
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u/MDLmanager 7h ago
It's a great response.
I would have said that I hate trump because HE is a terrible person, while you love trump because YOU are a terrible person.
They really only love him because trump hates the same groups/people that they do. It's a movement completely based on hatred, cruelty, and ignorance, like every other totalitarian movement in history.
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u/tomb-king 7h ago
I don't like this kid. He hasn't had a single original thought in any post I've seen. He just vomits out already circulating opinions. I know some people were treating him like the heir apparent when Charlie Kirk died, but I don't see it. There is zero reason to ever read or engage with his content in any way. Plus, didn't he get into this stuff when he was like 11? Who is taking their political takes from a 11 year old?
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u/PixelBrewery 6h ago
Every sentence of that is wrong. Even the first one. I hate Trump in a very different way than they hated Obama. I hate Trump because of his character, they hated Obama despite his character.
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u/Sad_Aspect_9942 6h ago
lmfao isn't Qasim Rashid muslim? Islam predates this dude by 1,372 years...kinda wild when you think about it.
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u/Lego_love_24-7 6h ago
Did people really loath Obama? Because I donāt remember anyone really saying to much about him, until a certain person ran for office the first time.
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u/ThatInAHat 6h ago
How old are you?
Literally the tea party branch of the Republican Party (which later morphed into maga) was created as a response to Obamaās election. At the beginning of his first term, McConnell openly said that he would make it his mission in the senate to oppose anything Obama tried to do purely because it was Obama trying to do it.
Hell, that ācertain personā only ran for president because Obama lightly clapped back at him after years of that ācertain personā pushing the racist birthed conspiracy.
Republicans *loathed* Obama. But not really for any good reason.
(Which is not to say heās beyond criticism. Just that most of the Republican criticism boiled down to conspiracy nonsense and calling him a communist/muslim/terrorist)
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u/Llama_Legend10 7h ago
Your allowed to retroactively dislike a president. If you werenāt half the people on social media shouldnāt be bringing up Reaganās name in arguments.
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u/ddoyen 7h ago
You can actively dislike a president but this dingaling legit thinks the reason that there is so much hate and division is because of Barack Obama.Ā
And yea, the racists really came out of the woodwork when he was elected. But thats not Obamas fault.
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u/Llama_Legend10 7h ago
I mean yeah, this kids probably a doofus for saying this. Just reminding some people here (based on comments Iāve read) that itās okay to look back on presidential policy and critique it. Hindsight is 20/20
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u/dopewinnerchild 7h ago
Very true,but then you should be able to bring up specific policies or actions that formed your opinion right?
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u/Mrfixit729 7h ago
āIf you donāt agree with me you donāt love you countryā is about as dumb as āif you donāt agree with me you and your family are racistā
One dude is basically a kid. Hopefully heāll learn and grow as he matures.
The other dude is unfortunately a middle aged man. lol
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u/Late-File3375 7h ago
We don't think people who support Trump are racist because they disagree with us.
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u/GutsAndBlackStufff 7h ago
Racism is literally the only explanation for claiming that Obama āloathes America.ā
This goes double for anyone who was a young child during Obamaās presidency. Partisanship only explains so much, and racism was the attack vector conservatives used to cultivate opposition.
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u/Physical_Gift7572 7h ago
Partisanship explains a lot if you aren't actually expecting logic to be a part of the equation.
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u/Sad_Aspect_9942 6h ago
The idea that opposition to Obama was rooted in racism doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny. Conservatives opposed him on concrete policy grounds, things like tax increases on earners above $250k, a public health insurance option, cap-and-trade energy policy, withdrawal timelines from Iraq, and a general expansion of federal spending and power. These weren't new objections invented for Obama. They were the same arguments conservatives had been making against Democratic policy for decades. The Tea Party movement that emerged in 2009 was driven by the stimulus, the bailouts, and the ACA, not by who was signing the bills.
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u/Dry-Regret5444 7h ago
Not sure what his age has to do with itā¦..I wasnāt alive in the 1930ās, but I figured out Hitler was not a fan of the Jewish peopleā¦.
This could also just as easily be about growing up in a Conservative background v a more Liberal one.
HATE how the assumption is racism without knowing anything of substance about this personā¦.
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u/mcfuckernugget 7h ago
Is it possible to dislike Obama and not be a racist? I just hate how fake and performative he sounds every time he talks.
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u/thelunarunit 6h ago
Yes, the leftist hate on Obama all the time. However they hate on him for his policies not him as a person. You don't see people calling his leftist detractors racists. Having followed politics during his presidency most of the hate was racist.
I don't say that as in there were no legitimate complaints about Obama. I say that because instead of attacking him on his policy, they attacked him with rhetoric. From worrying about his tan suit to conspiracy theories about his birth certificate. Every complaint was an attempt to "other" him.
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u/shaunrundmc 6h ago
You absolutely can, but you need to provide reasons. Saying "he loathsome America" is just not true, if you think there are actual policy reasons.
I truly hate Donald trump. I hate him as a person, I hate his grifting kids, I hate him for his policies and how hes picked at the wounds of this country like it was scab then shoved a rusty knife in them to make them wider then poured bleach and ground glass into the gash. I can give more detail of his actions and policies that make me feel that way.
I seriously doubt Maga can do the same for Obama
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u/FionaWalliceFan 6h ago
Its absolutely reasonable to hate Obama, but because "he hates America" is a very stupid reason
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u/ThatInAHat 6h ago
He sounds āfake and performativeā because he speaks thoughtfully and would rather pause than babble or use filler words.
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u/Machineman0812 7h ago
At the same rate. How does that equal racism?
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u/Physical_Gift7572 7h ago
I have to agree with you. While I assume that it is more likely than not to be a position informed by racism I cannot say that for certain. Partisanship is enough for some people to think a Democrat hates America. We like to think that it must be racism because we can understand that. That is a lot more understandable than this person believes something completely illogical for barely any reason at all.
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u/Poiboy1313 7h ago
Oh? What does America stand for in your opinion?
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u/DeepCutFan1 7h ago
OBVIOUSLY America is a country for Christian, white, straight, cis men!
Don't you remember that part of the constitution?
.....Oh wait.
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u/Poiboy1313 7h ago
Obviously. I had hoped for a response from the person to whom I replied. Probably wishful thinking, I realize.
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u/assbot9000modelxc429 7h ago
No.. they hate the faulty government that allows what is happening to happen.
The right hates the USA. They vote for and support the side that wants a white christian nation. Supporting our current administration is THE most anti-American thing anyone can do.
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u/geocantor1067 7h ago
I think you misunderstand progressives. They push for America to be better. If it were left to conservatives, only white men with property could vote and slavery would still exist.
There is nothing wrong with pushing society to be better and move towards more freedoms.
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u/Master-Shinobi-80 7h ago
That's an insane take.
Conservatives/MAGAts/Evangelicals hate the USA. The idea of individual freedom scares them.
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u/freedomonke 7h ago
The vast majority of people that dislike Trump certainly aren't leftists or Marxists (sadly). And most aren't even progressive liberals.
He has a 35 percent approval rating. Do you imagine 65 percent of people are progressives? No issue based opinion polling backs that up unless you have a very archaic notion of what a progressive is.
The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of people are saccharinely patriotic, and that includes nearly all liberals and I would bet all but a handfull of conservatives that oppose him.
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u/DadinBoston 7h ago
At that point? Itās just best for him to delete himself from the internet